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xs11 06-12-2002 03:02 PM

Brakes not releasing? Clogged Spooge hole?
 
Brakes not releasing?
Check your Master Cylinder "Spooge Holes"

by Ken Talbot, 6/20/00

Many XSives have experienced a problem with brakes not fully releasing or even locking up completely. This can be caused by a clogged fluid return orifice in the master cylinder. When this orifice or "spooge hole" is obstructed, pressure builds in the caliper.

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Edit: This is a common problem, but what needs to be pointed out here is if you have this problem, your brake fluid has serious contamination. This 'fix' should ONLY be considered as temporary; you can attempt flushing the system to get rid of the contamination, but that is rarely a long-term repair; the only sure way to eliminate this is to completely disassemble the system and fully clean it, refilling with new fluid. Another cause of dragging brakes is internally corroded calipers; corrosion behind the caliper piston seal can 'expand' the seal, preventing the piston from retracting when the brakes are applied. To determine which issue you have, if you have a dragging brake try 'cracking' the bleed screw on the brake caliper; if the brake releases, it's in the master cylinder, if it doesn't it's a caliper problem. In either case, it's HIGHLY RECOMMENDED that you COMPLETELY disassemble the ENTIRE brake system, thoroughly cleaning everything and replacing parts as needed for safe, trouble-free brakes.
Just in case anybody was wondering where the smaller orifice is that everybody talks about getting all spooged up.... Procede as follows:

Front
Protect the tank with lots of rags
Remove the cover
Use an old baster to remove the fluid
Gently twist and pry off the reservoir
Remove a litle more fluid
Be sure not to squeeze the brake lever

http://www.xs11.com/forum/images/tip...902-frtmc1.jpg

Note the curl in the end of the wire so it can't be accidently dropped right through while cleaning the orifice.... The wire diameter needs to be .015" or smaller (that hole is small), don't enlarge the hole with a drill or welder tip cleaner!<HR>
Rear
11/30/00
There is a second, smaller orifice in the rear MC for relieving the line pressure when you let up on the brake pedal. It's just not as easy to find and clean as its counterpart in the front MC.

Remove the right hand side cover. Remove the MC lid, remove the brake fluid with a baster, pry the plastic reservoir up gently with a small flat bladed screwdriver. Remove more fluid with the baster, then sop up the last bit with a clean rag or piece of paper towel.

Remove the two mounting bolts so you can list the MC high enough to clear the actuating rod. Let the actuating rod fall out of the way to the rear.

http://www.xs11.com/forum/images/tip...2-rmcmount.jpg


Drop the MC down low enough to remove the plastic reservoir. Pull the MC back through the plastic inner fender and twist it to the side a bit so you can get at it.

http://www.xs11.com/forum/images/tip...02-rmc_out.jpg


Look inside and you'll see two holes - a big one on the top and a smaller one on the bottom. The spooge hole is actually drilled exactly in the middle of the larger, upper hole, not in the lower hole.

http://www.xs11.com/forum/images/tip...-rmc_close.jpg


To see the spooge hole clearly, you need to remove this drain plug from the bottom of the MC so you can look inside with a flashlight.

http://www.xs11.com/forum/images/tip...2-rmc_plug.jpg


With a bit better light, you would see the hole drilled dead centre on the top. I just couldn't get the light right for it to show on this photo, but trust me, it is there.

http://www.xs11.com/forum/images/tip...2-rmc_hole.jpg


You could fish a long wire in through the drain plug bore for cleaning the spooge hole. Or, you could use the same little wire (with a curled end) you used on the fromt MC and poke it into the hole with a pair of needlenose pliers.

http://www.xs11.com/forum/images/tip...2-rmc_wire.jpg


By just poking around with the pliers, you will feel the wire slip into the hole. Slide it back and forth a few times and you're ready to put it all back together. If you've been careful not to press the brake pedal before you got the MC lifted clear of the actuating rod, you can get it all back together and refilled with fresh fluid without introducing any air into the lines.

Of course, if this resolves a problem, chances are that you should be removing the MC for a complete strip down so there is no possibility of more spooge breaking loose and replugging the orifice. Then this turns from a one hour job to something "a little longer".

Like I said, not as easy as the front MC, but it still can be done.

sixtysix 06-12-2002 03:15 PM

Rear brakes not releasing?
 
Rear Brake not releasing?
by Gary Granger

When I first got my XS the rear brake master cylinder rod was adjusted wrong. It had a very slight amount of pressure on the plunger all the time. This caused the rear brake disc to get warm, but I did not notice it right away. One day I rode 2 up and the additional weight was enough to cause the brake disc to get super hot and almost lock up. I could not get the caliper off and had to open the bleeder to get the caliper to release.

The reason the linkage had been moved was a set of Jardine slip-ons were installed, and the brake pedal hit on the mufflers. I simply but a washer behind the brake pedal to bring it out slightly and it did not touch anymore, then I adjusted the rod properly, and had no more problems.


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