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Old 11-12-2017, 10:08 AM
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I'm not a mechanic, but I don't think this looks right

But I am an engineer and wonder if this was one of those Morton-Thiokol please don't push the button deals.
Sales, Marketing and Accounting folks are lousy engineers. bang-pop-grind-crunch-snap


Sure make for a fun ride, WOT up i-5 and have this happen

Jeff


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What an M8 looks like when the balancer grenades the case during a dyno run:-


https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwaukee-eight-m8/1172811-new-m8-blown.html

Harley Davidson Forums > Harley Davidson Motorcycles > Milwaukee Eight (M8) > New M8 Blown


The picture's from a 1st Gen M8 with the single balancer, Nanuk has two so I may get to enjoy her kisses:
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:28 AM
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Scott, is a reflash part of the upgrade to the 117? Meaning, would there already have been one? Take it back to them and tell them you donít like the black exhaust color, that you preferred the tan from the stock set up. See what they say.
The mechanic flashed the ECU with the Screamin' Eagle tuner after installing the kit. I honestly don't know what can be changed with the tuner besides fuel/air/timing or if the dealer can tweak the factory-supplied map. The tuner itself is a separate but required purchase and it's 'married' to the bike with a superduper top-secret cryptographic secure handshake the first time it's introduced to the bike so it can't be used on another machine.

What that all boils down to is that if the dealer can't LEGALLY tweak the CARB/EPA approved factory maps, I'd have to buy a second ECU and marry it to a second tuner if I want to fool with the bike, then put the original ECU back in before getting within a hundred miles of a dealership. That's moderately expensive, annoying, time-consuming, and pretty much violates a slew of State, and Federal laws right along with the warranty seventeen ways to Sunday so I think I'll pass and find something else to do.


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This weekend I've been setting up a Hall effect Volt/Ammeter. The Voltmeter part works in the temporary test configuration but I haven't put the tank back on yet. I'll be giving it a test fire later on this morning when it won't bug the neighbors but I still have to find a place to hook up the power for the LED display before I button it up and I don't want to hack up the wiring harness to do it. There are, of course, several wiring kits available from Harley for connecting Parts&Accessories to the P&A connector in the harness.

The Meter

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DC 5-120V 100A Mini Digital Current Voltage Amp Meter Ammeter Gauge with Hall Effect Sensor Transformer
Price: $17.98



Check the fit on the bike for the Hall effect sender


Remove the connector pins and string an old silicone XS1100 pick-up coil wiring sheath to protect the ribbon cable


Pull the sheathed cable through the frame backbone


The Voltmeter part works with the LED display temporarily jacked into the P&A connector


No, the display is not weatherproof, it's open in the back so I have to find or fab a case that allows me to press the button on the back for changing the display modes


Now it's off to the garage to see if the engine cranks and the ammeter works or if I've jacked up the security system by fooling around with the battery and fuses and locked myself out of the bike.
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Old 11-12-2017, 11:56 AM
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I'm not a mechanic, but I don't think this looks right

But I am an engineer and wonder if this was one of those Morton-Thiokol please don't push the button deals.
Sales, Marketing and Accounting folks are lousy engineers. bang-pop-grind-crunch-snap


Sure make for a fun ride, WOT up i-5 and have this happen

Jeff
Jeff, according to the thread over on the HD forum, the OP wasn't sure about the details except that it happened to someone else on decel after a dyno pull.
There is a scissor gear on the balancer that's supposed to help smooth the shock loads but the balancer managed to kiss a connecting rod and went kerblooey.



That's yet-another-reason I want to stay away from independent, third-party shops, tunes and dynos and stick to the dealer.
If it happens out on the road or if one of their mechanics blows it up in their shop, it's probably covered; another shop not so much:

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Luser with blown engine: Well, yeah, pretty please with sugar on top? I'll be your best friend!
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Old 11-12-2017, 01:32 PM
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Any concerns about hurting the warranty as it relates to anything electronic and subsidiary functions with that voltmeter?

Refresh me, what warranty do you have on the bike?
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Old 11-12-2017, 03:03 PM
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He should NOT have any problems, as there is NO CONNECTION between the sensor and the wire harness. The big thing is getting a waterproof case that he can still operate the switch between the volt and amp settings.
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Old 11-12-2017, 04:59 PM
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Any concerns about hurting the warranty as it relates to anything electronic and subsidiary functions with that voltmeter?

Refresh me, what warranty do you have on the bike?
I've already talked to the dealer and the mechanics, as long as I use the correct Harley harness parts and switchgear to install accessories and don't try to run a 5-ton bumper winch to hoist a lighted disco ball over a stack of field amps I'm good to go.

Right now, the warranty is 5 years and unlimited mileage for most repairs along with recovering the bike to a dealer; cost reimbursement for eats and sleeps while-u-wait; wheel and tire coverage; battery coverage.

I can add up to two more years and make it 7 years extended.

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He should NOT have any problems, as there is NO CONNECTION between the sensor and the wire harness. The big thing is getting a waterproof case that he can still operate the switch between the volt and amp settings.
The waterproof housing is in the works.

The meter's not mounted and connected yet, it's going to rain and I don't have the Harley harness and switches yet anyway but it's going to look good when it's finished.

The sensor on the negative battery cable


The protective sheath tied off to keep it out of mischief


It works and the rightmost dot shows it's negative for an 8.8 Amp discharge from the battery with the engine not running


Back together and running with just the Overnight soft bag


I'm on the way to the dealer to order an accessory harness and some switches and housing for the Volt/Amp meter (it can show Amps, Volts, or cycle between the two), my GPS, and a relay for some heated gear.



Auxiliary Accessory Switch Housing Kit_70248-02B




Auxiliary On/Off Switch 71718-02



Auxiliary On/Off Switch 71718-02 mounted in a chrome housing
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