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Old 11-17-2019, 08:39 PM
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Yamaha service manual omission

I looked through the Yamaha XS1100 factory service manual and can't find the amount of gear lube that goes into the final drive.
I suspect it's something like the middle drive, 4.4 oz. when filling after complete draining, 3.5 or 3.3 oz. when just changing, odd ?
Nowhere can I find the number of ounces for the final drive, changing, complete filling when drained.
Just interested.
Can anyone answer please ?
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Old 11-17-2019, 09:52 PM
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I have both an XJ and Xs manual. They agree that the final drive holds 0.32 US quarts but the middle drive amounts differ: 0.396 qts for the XJ and 0.38 qts for the XS although I'm not sure that's a measurable difference. I always go to the full line on the factory dipstick.
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Old 11-18-2019, 06:05 AM
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I have both an XJ and Xs manual. They agree that the final drive holds 0.32 US quarts but the middle drive amounts differ: 0.396 qts for the XJ and 0.38 qts for the XS although I'm not sure that's a measurable difference. I always go to the full line on the factory dipstick.
Thank You Billy ! I have the Mechanics factory manual, I find the engine and middle gear oil amounts but not the final drive. If it's in there would you be willing to tell me what page in the XS manual ?
I have the SH, H and LH with supplements.
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Old 11-18-2019, 09:21 AM
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Page 2-11 of the Genuine Yamaha XJ 1100J manual, it says;
Final gear case: Approx. 0.30 L (0.26 Imp qt, 0.32 US qt)

I fill it to the bottom of the filler hole threads and call it good.

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Old 11-18-2019, 10:06 AM
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Page 2-11 of the Genuine Yamaha XJ 1100J manual, it says;
Final gear case: Approx. 0.30 L (0.26 Imp qt, 0.32 US qt)

I fill it to the bottom of the filler hole threads and call it good.

CZ
CZ, Thanks !
That seems very full ?
Maybe cut down on (what do they call it?) frothing, foaming, aerating ?
Do you do the same with the middle gear unit ?
Did Yamaha leave this measurement out of the XS1100 manual ?
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Old 11-18-2019, 10:22 AM
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Page 2-11 of the Genuine Yamaha XJ 1100J manual, it says;
Final gear case: Approx. 0.30 L (0.26 Imp qt, 0.32 US qt)

I fill it to the bottom of the filler hole threads and call it good.

CZ
In Yamaha Manual 1st edition XS1100 same information on page 2-13

Oil will blow out of the top if you overfill.
Use the dip stick provided in tool kit......40 + years ago
Dip stick was still available from Yamaha.....10 years ago.
I like CZ fill to threads for final drive.
Always remove filler cap before removing drain cap.
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Old 11-18-2019, 05:09 PM
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Don't fill the middle drive up to the threads, there will be waaay too much in there.
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Old 11-18-2019, 08:07 PM
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Yamaha Manual

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Old 11-18-2019, 09:25 PM
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Haynes/Clymers

Thank You All !
Maybe Haynes/Clymers had the amount listed for the final drive, I used to have all three.
Still the measuring tool will work.

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Old 11-19-2019, 08:37 AM
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Do you do the same with the middle gear unit ?
Did Yamaha leave this measurement out of the XS1100 manual ?
Quoting from the same source;
Middle gear case: Approx. 0.375 L
(0.33 Imp qt, 0.396US qt)

Recommended oil: SAE 80 API Hypoid gear oil.
SAE 80W90 may be used for all conditions


GL-4, GL-5, GL-6 ratings are all approved.


Yamaha doesn't always present information in the places we would expect.
It is probably in there, just not where you would first look.

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Old 11-19-2019, 03:53 PM
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I would HIGHLY recommend using 75-140w synthetic oils in both middle drive and final drive as opposed to the old school recommended oils. I found years ago that the 75-140w syn. reduced final drive temps. by 15 degrees after riding an interstate testing some 150miles@ a constant 80mph. Testing both choices for same distance,G.Junction, Colo. to Green River, Utah. Royal Purple was and is my syn. choice. Do NOT use same weight choice for synthetic! 80-90w synthetic oil does NOT have the same cling factor nor 'pound out' factor using equivalent conventional choices! If using 80-90w syn., it WILL cause an early demise of final drive bearings! Remember, heat IS equal to friction!
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Old 11-20-2019, 09:04 AM
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Old 11-20-2019, 08:26 PM
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Dip stick

is no longer available though I just found one on ebay for 18 dollars.
I guess in the past I just added then checked with the dipstick, added/checked then again until I got it right, or as was said it's in the book somewhere ?
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Old 11-20-2019, 09:59 PM
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Done, I did the same this fall, add the lube and check with the dipstick that was in my original tool kit. I made sure the bike was on the level and standing straight.
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There was drawing posted here somewhere with dimensions. I made a couple out of scrap plastic.
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