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Old 06-03-2017, 09:19 PM
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Coleman Maddog saddle bags from Amazon just showed up at my door, UPS. I'm hanging them on Dark Horse and like them so far.
I looked up your Coleman seat pad, 16x10x3" at Walmart and found an ATV pad that looks like it's made the same, 24x14", does not give height but bigger than the Coleman. Made by Northeast Harbor sold by KapscoMoto through Walmart $15. Went and ordered a somewhat matching fork bag while I was at it.
I'm going to cut my sheepskin seat cover I had on my K100LT. It will go over the ATV pad that goes over the front strap of the bags. The bags front strap crosses over the seat right where the back of my butt perch is on the seat.
Huh, $50 Coleman Maddog bags might be better than $100 Tourmaster bags.

The Coleman ATV pad was the only one I found at Walmart, the one I bought and still have was discontinued. I don't really give a rat's patootie about the length of the pad but the width is important and I hope I didn't give Bonz a bum deer.

If I need a longer pad for a passenger, I'd probably get one of the covers made for the rear of an ATV and sling it on there. Heck, I might try one for myself, forget the passenger! I'd like a seat cushion, backrest, dual cup holders and gadget bags too.


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Old 06-03-2017, 09:40 PM
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I hit a minor snag on the XJ front forks. They're pretty clean and the oil wasn't too bad but I bought the wrong seals. I have a set of 3J6 seals for a Special instead of 10M seals for the XJ.

3J6-23145-00-00 is 37mm x 48mm x 10.5mm
10M-23145-00-00 is 37mm x 50mm x 11mm

Drop back five and punt!
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:45 PM
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I hit a minor snag on the XJ front forks. They're pretty clean and the oil wasn't too bad but I bought the wrong seals. I have a set of 3J6 seals for a Special instead of 10M seals for the XJ.

3J6-23145-00-00 is 37mm x 48mm x 10.5mm
10M-23145-00-00 is 37mm x 50mm x 11mm

Drop back five and punt!
Imagine the 'punt' to be the better option opposed to oil not stayin' where it's supposed to.
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Old 06-04-2017, 07:06 AM
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I have the forks from that wrecked XJ11 I bought. The triple tree, stanchions, and dial-a-ride selector rods are bent but the sliders and the air fittings are still in pristine condition.

The bike only had 18K on it when Aaron got hit from behind, the fork seals are (were ) still holding air and none of the oil has leaked so... I might be able to get away with flushing them out, then sliding them onto the stanchions of my good XJ.
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Old 06-04-2017, 07:42 AM
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That sounds like a god plan Scott. You are doing a yeoman's job getting that bike ready for the summer!
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Old 06-04-2017, 01:28 PM
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Changing the fork oil and seals was one of the things I was going to do before the XSSE rally last year but I ran out of time, then I ran out of enthusiasm.

Naturally, I have discovered there's more to it than a simple slider swap but after I finish the forks (notice the positive note there ) I have to clean and grease the steering head bearings, then set the preload. The linked brakes, the computer, and the extra control wiring make the XJ's front end more complicated to work on than the XS.

The bent forks haven't seen daylight for a while and there's a patina of oil on the sliders that I didn't notice when I stored them.



The air assembly is good but the Schrader valve got bent in the wreck, I'll use the assembly from my new XJ to test the forks.



I washed everything, then aired up the forks to ~15 psi and inverted them to keep the fork oil on the seals while I worked the sliders.
There's an oil ring on both stanchions. I'll wait and check them again later.




The rear shocks have to be flushed and the oil changed too. The shocks work, they hold air pressure and the damper wheel turns but they sound 'springy' like a Pogo stick when I bounce them, like they're low on oil or something. The XJ shocks I put on my '80G don't sound like that so they have to be checked before they have to be chucked.
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Old 06-04-2017, 02:52 PM
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Changing the fork oil and seals was one of the things I was going to do before the XSSE rally last year but I ran out of time, then I ran out of enthusiasm.

Naturally, I have discovered there's more to it than a simple slider swap but after I finish the forks (notice the positive note there ) I have to clean and grease the steering head bearings, then set the preload. The linked brakes, the computer, and the extra control wiring make the XJ's front end more complicated to work on than the XS.

[b]The bent forks haven't seen daylight for a while and there's a patina of oil on the sliders that I didn't notice when I stored them.
[b]The air assembly is good but the Schrader valve got bent in the wreck, I'll use the assembly from my new XJ to test the forks.


[b]I washed everything, then aired up the forks to ~15 psi and inverted them to keep the fork oil on the seals while I worked the sliders.
There's an oil ring on both stanchions. I'll wait and check them again later.


The rear shocks have to be flushed and the oil changed too. The shocks work, they hold air pressure and the damper wheel turns but they sound 'springy' like a Pogo stick when I bounce them, like they're low on oil or something. The XJ shocks I put on my '80G don't sound like that so they have to be checked before they have to be chucked.
Have you or anyone else used trans oil in the forks ?
I do .
How about trans medic seal rejuvenate to keep the seals working well ?

One more, anyone ever put a grease nipple in the neck and pumped the neck full of grease to lube the steering head bearings ?
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Old 06-04-2017, 03:24 PM
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Have you or anyone else used trans oil in the forks ?
I do .
How about trans medic seal rejuvenate to keep the seals working well ?

One more, anyone ever put a grease nipple in the neck and pumped the neck full of grease to lube the steering head bearings ?
I've used trans fluid in the forks and in the XJ shocks I run. It works OK but it's not heavy enough for my liking.

I run on weight heavier oil than it calls for both and it's much better ride and handling characteristics. It's actually cheaper than trans fluid too.
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Old 06-04-2017, 03:57 PM
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Have you or anyone else used trans oil in the forks ?
I do .
I bought a couple of bottles of oil last year for the forks and the rear shocks and I haven't opened either one of them yet.

I'd use cherry juice if I didn't have the correct oil but even sticking with domestics it's not a simple substitution:

Chrysler ATF, ATF+ to ATF+4
Ford Type A, F, FA, Mercon
GM Dexron original recipe or extra crispy Dexron MMXVII or whatever the latest synthetic brew is numbered


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How about trans medic seal rejuvenate to keep the seals working well ?
I've never used it, I change the seals when they leak or get another transmission that doesn't leak.

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One more, anyone ever put a grease nipple in the neck and pumped the neck full of grease to lube the steering head bearings ?
I was going to do that but the bearings are different sizes and have different seals/shields so one fitting won't reliably deliver grease to both bearings.

I thought about using two fittings along with a few other combinations, then I thought about the extra grease oozing its way out of the frame head onto the forks, the front tire, the brakes, and I put down the drill and walked away from the steering head.

The truth is, the book wants the bearings repacked and adjusted every two years or 10,000 miles but I think that's a little excessive. For me, that'd be, like, every time I change the front tire but a big part of repacking any bearing is cleaning and inspecting the bearing along with the race and you can't really do that with the lower fork tree in the frame.
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Old 06-05-2017, 12:07 PM
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I'll give a "plus one" to All-American red ATF. Use it in all my forks.

I have done a good amount of reading about fork oil/snake oil, and ATF rates at about a 10 weight oil and has less tendency to thin out if/when hot from what I have gleaned as well.
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Old 06-05-2017, 01:28 PM
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ATF Std for Honda

Honda specifies ATF for my V65 front forks.

I use the Yamaha recommended oils for my Yamahas.
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Old 06-05-2017, 03:02 PM
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LOL, fork seals and internal materials are no different from bike, really. It's an almost 40 year old bike we ride these days, precisely around when the V65 was in it's hey-day at the tail end of the XS/XJ reign.

Use what works for you for sure and "what Yamaha specifies", I just know ATF is proven in millions of bikes for millions of miles. I run it in my 2001 ZRX 1200 with much more modern forks and the proof is in the pudding, even though Kawasaki (Yamaha too) and the motorcycle industry wants us to go deeper in our pockets to buy their oil. .
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Old 06-05-2017, 04:04 PM
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Howard, which ATF do you use, GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota?

Dino, mammalian, or synthetic?

I bought a few of bottles of PJ1 10wt and 05wt oil on sale for about $5/quart, it was less expensive than ATF except for the nameless generic bottles in the dollar store.

ATF is not and never has been a constant and it's gone through some pretty radical changes over the years since they had to stop using sperm whale oil. The old stuff wasn't shear stable and it was hygroscopic, not really a problem for a smokin' hot automatic transmission but fork oil doesn't get over 212 degrees to cook off the water. The latest and greatest formula is thinner than the old formula.


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Old 06-05-2017, 05:06 PM
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Scott, PJ-1 IS a good option for fork oil. The weight rating may be a little on the light side, but works fine. I opted for Silcolene 15w in the Venturer. 15w was chosen just because over yrs. of use, the dampening orfices get slightly oversized from friction caused by the oil. With several decades of moto-x racing, learned early on that use of ATF was the last option of use, and only used if that was all one happen to have 'handy'. Problem with ATF used in forks is it airiates to much and can cause voids with dampening correctly. Over those decades, I learned that Silcolene was the best option, with Torco being second place. JAT to consider, if nothing else, future use.

All that work you've put into that XJ just makes me tired to read and follow.
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Old 06-05-2017, 06:13 PM
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Engine oil

I found Dark Horse was snickerdy snicking pretty loud when shifting.
Over the years I've found this to be a sign of the oil shearing up and losing viscosity.
I've not put that many miles on this oil change, done last year with Amsoil MC oil.
It seems I needed to change oil so looked around and, ...... Walmart has Supertech 20/50 without anti friction additives, 5 qts. for just under $12.00.
Force of habit or the DEVIL made me put in 24oz. of Amsoil, 8oz. of Pro Long and top it off with the Supertech.
Smooth again, shifts like the hot knife through butter thing.
I'll mark my calendar and my odometer to see when it starts snickerdy snicking next ?
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