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Old 05-11-2019, 08:01 PM
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Is the new Wally World oil same as previous years? It says conventional oil on it now and has some writing on the bottom circle below Api service on top. The Castrol doesn’t. I know not to use the additive stuff and just want to be sure it’s ok before using. Thanks.
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Old 05-12-2019, 12:47 AM
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Is the new Wally World oil same as previous years? It says conventional oil on it now and has some writing on the bottom circle below Api service on top. The Castrol doesn’t. I know not to use the additive stuff and just want to be sure it’s ok before using. Thanks.
OMG...an oil thread. IMO, would not use. Buy ya' some 4qts. of Vavolene 20-50w conventional oil(Wally World) and new oil filter(NAPA), change and go ride.
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Old 05-12-2019, 07:34 AM
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I noticed this too and looked it up. Apparently it is an additive to help prevent detonation in turbocharged engines. I am still using it with no slipping or ill effect, so far. <knock>
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Old 05-12-2019, 08:10 AM
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My heart leaps! Oil discussion. Same things still apply as far as friction modifier’s. If it’s not motorcycle specific and still ends in 40 wt or 50 wt, it will not have them.

The “additives “ to help turbo charged engines, if it is what I think it is, I am familiar with that.

My daughter drives a 2012 Nissan Juke with the 1.6 turbo charged engine. Lots of good discussion on the Juke forum about this...

It’s not different additives than what oil already contains, just changing the amounts. They reduce the calcium and increase the magnesium in some oil blends, but typically have the same total number (ppm) in combination as the old formula. The SN+ designation I believe shows this on oil labeling.

Under low engine speed/high load conditions in smaller displacement engines, most specifically GDI (gas direct injection) turbo engines, calcium is believed to leave hot particles behind in the combustion chamber and cause preignition. Oil vapor gets regurgitated thru the PCV system among other things to contribute to this phenomenon. LSPI is the acronym, “Low Speed Pre-Ignition”. Lower calcium, replaced with more magnesium, is typically what is done to make the oil more friendly in these applications.
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Old 05-12-2019, 02:35 PM
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Didn't we just do this on FB?
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Old 05-12-2019, 02:39 PM
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I don't know, I don't follow the Facebook XS11 posts.

My question would be why did it even take place on Facebook? Every question about oil has been asked and discussed till the bovines find the barn. Search the internet and reading enjoyment for weeks!
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Old 05-12-2019, 02:50 PM
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Marty Hallberg and I were participants in an oil discussion on an XS11 page there.

It doesn't matter where you go all the people, especially the newbies, ask the same questions and the same arguments occur.
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Old 05-12-2019, 03:13 PM
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Gotcha. The xs11 stuff I see on Facebook I don't recognize many names, I did see Skids talking about wanting to sell one of his bikes.

Tell me where to look and I would like to pay attention more.
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Old 05-12-2019, 05:44 PM
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Gotcha. The xs11 stuff I see on Facebook I don't recognize many names, I did see Skids talking about wanting to sell one of his bikes.

Tell me where to look and I would like to pay attention more.
Yes I will be selling the Beast (78E). I had to wait for a new battery, now installed. She started right up. I need to take her out to burn up some old fuel. I will put up a prompt when I advertise it.
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Old 05-12-2019, 07:30 PM
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Do you have my cell, shoot me a text with a few pics I can’t remember visually which bike that is? And text me what you’re going to be asking.
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Old 05-12-2019, 07:40 PM
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Fwiw, over on “Bob is the oil guy” forum, a few guys reported a couple new full syn Supertech MC specific oil. Here is the link I found: 20w50 and 10w40

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Super-Tec...uart/764346752

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Super-Tec...e-Oi/556497072

As well, Supertech has a 10w30 full syn ATV oil.
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Old 05-12-2019, 08:51 PM
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It’s not different additives than what oil already contains, just changing the amounts. They reduce the calcium and increase the magnesium in some oil blends, but typically have the same total number (ppm) in combination as the old formula. The SN+ designation I believe shows this on oil labeling.

Under low engine speed/high load conditions in smaller displacement engines, most specifically GDI (gas direct injection) turbo engines, calcium is believed to leave hot particles behind in the combustion chamber and cause preignition. Oil vapor gets regurgitated thru the PCV system among other things to contribute to this phenomenon. LSPI is the acronym, “Low Speed Pre-Ignition”. Lower calcium, replaced with more magnesium, is typically what is done to make the oil more friendly in these applications.
Thank you for clarifying this Bonz, it all makes sense now.
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Old 05-12-2019, 09:12 PM
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U bet. Another contributing factor is folks run lower octane than they should, and the oil phenomenon adds to the potential for damaging pre-ignition.

For instance the Juke manual recommends 91 octane but does not “prohibit” lower grades. One of those “...for best performance we recommend...”, but does not warn against it. Here at higher elevation running mid grade has been working as the need for higher octane is reduced or eliminated in many cases.

However, my wife’s Acura TL SH-AWD is a high compression naturally aspirated V-6 and regardless of the elevation, knocks like a son of a gun on anything less than premium for the first few miles. The engine adjusts, but you can tell it’s not happy, per se.
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