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Old 02-26-2012, 11:21 AM
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A 17 year old adventure fixing first gear.

My sonís bike (xs1100SH) had the first gear problem from the time that he bought it. (He only paid $100 plush traded his 82 450 Nighthawk for it) He rode it for the first year taking it easy in first then when it would not stay in at all, just starting in second. This weekend he decided that he was going to tackle the issue. I have a 78 engine that I put a hole in the #3 piston and in the upper case last year. The gears in it were all good no slippage. He first removed the gears from the 78 and after inspecting them we found that they already had the ďfixĒ done to the gears. So he decided to just swap them into his bike.

After he disassembled the 78 engine (I had him put all usable parts on the shelf for future use or to be sold) I show him TopCatís write up on the 1st and 2nd gear fix. So he read through that several times and went out into the garage to repair his bike. He decided that he didnít want to flip the bike. (For some reason this action rubbed him wrong ) So he drained all the necessary fluids, removed the seat and side covers. Then he ran back in to the house to read the next step. He did this all morning, coming into the house reading the instructions then going out to do that step. After about 5 trips like this he told me we need to get a computer setup in the garage (Already had planned to do this in the spring) . I gave him a hard time about teenage brains leaking out information about as fast as they learn it. (I didnít tell him that I cheat and print the steps out) He was making good time felt he was going to be able to finish in the same day. (He was doing ALL the work by himself) So I went out for a couple of hours (had a date with my two daughters) and on my return the bike was not finished and he was in the shower (he had oil covering him from head to toe, I should have gotten pictures). He told me that he swore at the bike multiple times (I wonder where he got that from ), had oil dripping on his face and getting in his mouth and hit is head several times. He decided that maybe the old guys on the forum (he said it not me) do know what they are talking about and asked if I would help him flip the bike over after church. Well I need to go and get ready, I will let you know how the rest of the repair goes after it is done. (I will take pictures of the rest of the steps)
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Old 02-26-2012, 12:43 PM
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Oh, teenagers... It is hard being the only one who knows everything about everything
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:46 PM
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That IS funny TY........reminds me of my two when teenagers(fortunately grown now, and dad got smarter with age).......I would just sit in the man-cave and watch the entertainment, not saying a word as I 'didn't know anything'. BTW, I DO ride up to Layton on occassion for a fun enjoyable ride as it is only some 325mi. The 'back' way (Vernal,ParkCity. Odgen canyon, etc.) is a bit more time but more scenic. Let us know how the 'fix' works out.
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:16 PM
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Flipping the bike made it a lot easier. Letting gravity help put the gears in place. Itís almost like the gears are telling you that they are in charge. They would not go no matter what we did then all of a sudden they just dropped in. The same thing with the #1 shift fork it fought us for a good hour until it just popped into place. Now Iím letting him button everything back up on the bottom then we will flip the bike back up right.

The bike before flipping


Gears out and trying to put back in (this is where he got frustrated)


Flipped the bike


Gears back in


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Old 02-27-2012, 06:46 AM
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Having a fifteen year old son, I fully understand this, except mine would not turn a wrench to save his life. Not mechanically inclined as of yet. But I had to laugh that the technologically advanced youngun did not think of going old school and printing the pages out! Besides, doesn't he have a wifi laptop or IPAD/Kindle? How does he survive without being electronically accessible every second of the day?

Honestly, I have not yet flipped one for the repair, done it five times on different bikes now. But putting the gears back in is always when I start thinking "Maybe I should have flipped this thing".
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Old 02-27-2012, 06:54 AM
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Glad you got it sorted out!

I wonder if I was that stubborn when I was that age?
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:19 AM
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I wonder if I was that stubborn when I was that age?
Hmmmm.....I could take a guess...
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:32 AM
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Didn't we all start out the same way? I only wish I had a son who was interested in the mechanics of motorcycles. My daughter is 38 and she's into body building. Looks like a smaller, female version of Arnold S. when he still had a bod. Maybe I'll be able to work on my wife's grandson.
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Old 02-27-2012, 09:33 AM
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I figure it's payback from when I was a teenager. I do remember thinking that my parents didn't know anything. I'm not even sure when it was that I started to think the got some intelligence again. But there is hope for my son, after he finished he said (and it was out loud) that maybe next time he will listen to those who have more experience. I wish I had gotten a recording of that.

Well anyway he finally got the rest of the parts on engine side covers, exhaust, oil, tank, seat, saddle bags and battery. He went to start it and it barely cranked over. Yep the battery is going out (it's 5 years old) He worked late into the night and got up early (before 5 am) to finish it up to ride to school. So half an hour late for school he finally gave up and drove the truck.
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Old 02-27-2012, 09:55 AM
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I agree with DG, in that flipping the bike is definitely not necessary for this fix. More work to flip the bike than it saves in frustration IMHO. Anyway, its experiances like this that the kid will always remember, and be able to use down the line on future projects. Congrats to him for taking it on, and being willing to finish it!

I do wonder why he didn't just print out the tech tip though...
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Old 02-27-2012, 10:24 AM
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I told him when he got the bike that he would have to do the maintenance on it. I will always help him if he asks, but I would not take over the project from him. (My dad always took over a project that we did together) I want him to learn and gain the experience and not prove how much i know. I will let him believe he is smarter than me especially if he gains something from it. He watched me split the case of two bikes to replace a primary chain guide, I think that alone gave him the confidence to take on the project.

As far as putting the gears back in without flipping the bike, yes it is possible(which is why he didnít want to flip the bike) but after trying for over two hours to put it back in, hitting his head (multiple times), getting the wonderful taste of oil in his mouth he was ready to flip the bike. I think if it was up on something so that he didn't have to lay on the groud under the bike he could have gotten it with out fliping it.
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Old 03-28-2012, 03:42 PM
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He got everything back together and replaced his rear tire (the old one would not hold air). Hooked the battery backup and finally got it started. Put it in first gear, he felt the gear engage, let off the clutch...and nothing it would not go!?!? I asked him if he adjusted the clutch and he said he followed the directions for doing that. So He try it again, took the cover off loosened the lock nut, backed out the adjustment bolt felt for when it engaged the clutch and adjusted accordingly, then put a socket on and tightened it up. Started it up, put it in gear, let off the clutch ...and nothing . At this point he was late for school so he just took the truck.

I was kind of feeling sorry for him at that point so when I got home from work I went out and took the cover off, loosened the lock nut turned the adjuster bolt out then back in until I felt it engage the clutch then back it off a little. Held the adjuster bolt in place and tightened the lock nut. Put the cover plate back on, started the bike, put it in gear, let off the clutch...and off we went. He was a little embarrassed when he realized what he was doing wrong but was glad to have his bike back to running .
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Old 03-29-2012, 12:26 AM
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Ha, reading this brought back some pretty good memories of working with my dad. I can't count the number of times he stepped in and saved the day on some project I'd gotten myself into.

Good memories that will last him a lifetime . And good wrenching skills that will save him some serious cash in the future!
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Old 03-29-2012, 09:49 AM
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[quote=motoman;359109]That IS funny TY........reminds me of my two when teenagers(fortunately grown now, and dad got smarter with age).......I would just sit in the man-cave and watch the entertainment, not saying a word as I 'didn't know anything'.

Reminds me of many years ago when my buddy and I were camperizing an old van. My Dad was a terrific woodworker who would stick his head in the van every so often, shake it sadly then go back into the house. On his last trip to our project he said that he had learned one thing watching us, that when we said "Co....ker!" in the van, he could hear us in the house! He eventually consented to help us finish the project.
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